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Your images already existed on the site in higher quality.
Most of your pages were comprised entirely of images which is not our style.
There is no precedent for a 'rivals' page.
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Hi I'm just wondering where you've sourced the pre-BARB viewing figures, I've noticed some oddities I'd like to check against the original source so thought I'd go and look for them but seems I can't find anything online that gives such data?
Yes to the first point (inevitable over sixty years), no to the second point. Relevant comparisons can be made and often are by people who analyse the television industry over the decades, such as the BFI themselves.
Got you, so like any rates as long as used with the caveat their guide should be alright. Also a huge awe and thanks to you for gathering that mountain of data for this site, interesting to see how the show has had dips in and out of popularity.
Thank you! I truly wish the method of calculating the data had been consistent over the 60 years but change is the only true constant of life! It took months to get all the data we have, almost never collated before but, as you say, it tells a fascinating story about the progress of the show's fortunes.
Can you explain whats going on with the modern viewers by any chance. I don't want to go running through them correcting them if I've got something wrong but they seem to be out of kilter with the BARB figures.
Take for example
1 June 2020 - BARB 7 Day TV Set = 7,030,700 / BARB 7 Day 4 Screen = 7,146,519
Whereas this site has it as 7,135,535
3 June 2020 - BARB 7 Day TV Set = 7,322,000 / BARB 7 Day 4 Screen = 7,469,295
Whereas this site has it as 7,457,579
The Friday is right even more oddly.
I thought it might be overnights or 28 days for a moment but it can be overnights based on the second set of data and it can't be 28 days for the first set of data?
Any explanations for this? Similar discrepencies can be found in much of the 2020 data, but as I said I don't want to step on anyones toes by changing it if it's not actually wrong?
It appears to be that for several weeks BARB have amended the figures AFTER their first release on a Tuesday, without notifying as such. You have highlighted one week, and the week prior to that. For the week of 18th to 24th May, some numbers have changed, but not others! This is a new one on us. We'll have to go back and amend. Thanks for bringing it to our attention and, even more importantly, asking without making changes first!!
I've just corrected May 2020. I'll be going back a month at a time each day as we have other things to do on the site but we also maintain records outside of the site to do the annual analysis on the guide sections as to how the programme fared in the charts.
That seems incredibly bizarre on their part but makes sense. Surely once the 7 day figure is out it's the 7 day figure regardless. What next correcting figures from the 80s to current day methodology (I jest but we all know these are imprecise and inaccurate throughout time so not sure what the point of changing it weeks or month down the line is but they clearly see a need.) I'll leave it in your hands so you can update the off site records at the same time otherwise it'll naturally become a mess. Cheers for responding :)
It's a thorough pain! I've talked to David and instead of updating the new figures immediately from now onwards, we'll have a two week moratorium to allow them to "settle down".
Thank you so much for bringing this to our attention!
Last week I took a screenprint of the week of 15 to 21 June figures to see what would change. The standard TV viewing remains unchanged. Its the pc/tablet/smartphone figures within the total that are adjusting the following week.
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